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***RESOLVED***Pink Kush Shatter?! More like sap... SpeedGreens House Shatter Review - Not Very Happy.

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**Note** I have reviewed SpeedGreens in detail in other reviews, thus this will just be a brief review of a single product.

MOM Name
SpeedGreens

Products / Photos:

7g of Pink Kush House "Shatter" (Sap)?: AA
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The Negatives:
Well, this marks the first time I have bought shatter that came with a warning telling me that it is not shatter until I put it in the freezer for 5-10 minutes, each time I want to use it... every... single... time. Sounds annoying, right? Hell yes it's annoying, AF! I lost a bunch of it just trying to get it off the damn wax paper into a silicone container--the paper kept tearing, I kept swearing, and no good came of it. Now, I have read one review on SpeedGreens website, where one guy claims that after he left it in silicone for a few days, it hardened up to a more shatter-like consistency, and I will have to update this review at a later date to either confirm or deny that claim. But as it stands right now, after only a few mins at room temperature, this "shatter" turns into the worst kinda sticky honey type shit that you'd never want to work with. So I can manage to get all of a dab or three, then I gotta fire it back in the freezer cause it has turned into ectoplasm again. Yeesh. Full on nightmare. Having spoken with a friend who makes really good shatter using a closed-loop extractor and vacuum oven, I am now of the understanding that this stickiness could be due to a few factors: 1. the shatter could be under-purged and still have butane in it, but there is no evidence such as popping, sparking, or sizzling to suggest that, 2. the flower may not have been dehydrated to a low enough moisture content prior to extraction, or 3. it may be excessively terpy (it is highly terpy). I'm not entirely sure which of these factors it is, perhaps a combination of a couple of them, but it makes for impossibly sticky sap at room temperature.

I have a couple complaints here: first of all, this is NOT shatter, so please stop selling it as such. Second of all, the warning that was sent with my package is NOT on the website, it 100% should be. Having tried their "AAAA" shatter, which has a proper shatter consistecy, I am of the opinion that selling this shit as shatter and dropping in some lame cop-out blurb, passing the buck to the customer; "our house shatter sucks, but here, you deal with it," is bad business.

Feels like bait and switch, and I ain't smiling.
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The Positives:
I got it for the Black Friday price, thank god... When you finally manage to get this off of everything in the house and into a banger, it has a nice terpy profile, it seems to burn clean, it is smooth on the throat, and it has sort of a medium-potency pink kush shatter high.

Conclusion:
If this were SHATTER, like the website said, I'd be ecstatic, but being this hard to work with, I'm honestly quite let down.

My Rating: Potency: 5/10, Ease of Use: 2/10

Incentive for Review:
Your respect.

Notes:
If you can figure a better way to use it than spending 10 minutes freezing it, then spending another 20 cleaning it off of everything, then by all means pick some up, the potency is certainly there for the price. But if you have children and tend to curse, do not buy this, your kids will be talking like sailors in minutes.

YEESH.

P.S. Let this review mark a point in history, where all my haters can eat their words, as this negative review comes directly off the back of having recently received free product (NOT FREE, these reviews are hard work) from this company. If the product sucks, I'll state it every goddamn time. Getting sick and tired of snidely posts from a couple of overly opinionated trolls around here.
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Vdubb wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:01 pm Why aren’t those instructions on the website....? I’d be very disappointed if I bought that.
Right?! It's like selling the fuckin' ingridients for Vodka AS Vodka, and including a note that says, "We recommend distilling our vodka from its constituent ingridients, we realize this is a massive inconvenience, but we are certain you will LOVE the Vodka you made, that we almost provided."

Horseplop.

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For the quality and professionalism I've come to expect from SG in my own orders and in reviews from others, I would not have expected this.

If they are just getting their legs under them on in-house production, they should be more willing to eat the cost of bad batches. These products can be repurposed into edibles, laced into prerolls, used to make moonrocks, or sold at bin pricing with clear quality warnings.

Deception and lies-by-omission are not necessary in this situation and it's unfortunate that it seems to be the case here. Hopefully they will not continue to pass their growing pains w/ in-house product onto the customer without some much needed transparency.

I'm not sure they want to tarnish their grading scale by making AA the equivalent of "basically bad". A ratings exist for unsmokable pot and shake that's only fit for edibles and extraction, MOMs shouldn't shy away from being up front about A grade - it'll still sell. Plenty of people love a bargain.

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booker wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:43 am If they are just getting their legs under them on in-house production, they should be more willing to eat the cost of bad batches. These products can be repurposed into edibles, laced into prerolls, used to make moonrocks, or sold at bin pricing with clear quality warnings.
Thank you kindly for the support and valuable insight. I completely agree, and was just thinking to myself--why did they print out an advisory and sell me a lousy product, when they could have easily repurposed that sticky sap into edibles or other valuable items??

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booker wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:43 am For the quality and professionalism I've come to expect from SG in my own orders and in reviews from others, I would not have expected this.

I'm not sure they want to tarnish their grading scale by making AA the equivalent of "basically bad". A ratings exist for unsmokable pot and shake that's only fit for edibles and extraction, MOMs shouldn't shy away from being up front about A grade - it'll still sell. Plenty of people love a bargain.
Nice post man, I couldn’t agree more. I was taken back as well. Before I read this I just smoked their AA OG kush that was part of the free 3.5g for sign-up. And I had a better high than I did with the AAAA blue dream! I was blown away from the potency that this AA nug had. It looked and smelled like AA, but was very tacky in the middle. Didn’t taste like much... but I was really, really, really high for over an hour. So I thought their rating system was pretty darn good based off the AA and AAAA product I received. Keep us updated Mirka.

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Vdubb wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:15 am
booker wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:43 am For the quality and professionalism I've come to expect from SG in my own orders and in reviews from others, I would not have expected this.

I'm not sure they want to tarnish their grading scale by making AA the equivalent of "basically bad". A ratings exist for unsmokable pot and shake that's only fit for edibles and extraction, MOMs shouldn't shy away from being up front about A grade - it'll still sell. Plenty of people love a bargain.
Nice post man, I couldn’t agree more. I was taken back as well. Before I read this I just smoked their AA OG kush that was part of the free 3.5g for sign-up. And I had a better high than I did with the AAAA blue dream! I was blown away from the potency that this AA nug had. It looked and smelled like AA, but was very tacky in the middle. Didn’t taste like much... but I was really, really, really high for over an hour. So I thought their rating system was pretty darn good based off the AA and AAAA product I received. Keep us updated Mirka.
My experience with the AA kushberry is the same, it punched way above its belt on tbe potency scale but was quite harsh so I could understand the AA. I worry with snafus like this that budget customers might shy away from their AA rated stuff when largely it seems to be fine budget product.

This wax, clearly, does not meet that standard.

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I feel torn even making a public complaint because SG have been nothing but fantastic to deal with, but I would hate for anyone else to get duped into buying this product under the misconception that it is somehow AA shatter. I'm not terribly happy about the large (to me) sum of money that I spent buying Poo Bear's honey here, maybe I'll peanutbutter the roof of my mouth with it. Or maybe I'll just 😢.

I will update as it happens... thanks for any supprt, it is highly appreciated.

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Vdubb wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:15 am Before I read this I just smoked their AA OG kush that was part of the free 3.5g for sign-up. And I had a better high than I did with the AAAA blue dream! I was blown away from the potency that this AA nug had. It looked and smelled like AA, but was very tacky in the middle. Didn’t taste like much... but I was really, really, really high for over an hour. So I thought their rating system was pretty darn good based off the AA and AAAA product I received. Keep us updated Mirka.
Hey, that's cool. I on the other hand, found the AA weed I got in my order to be just kind of okay, worthy of the AA grade, and the AAAA to be killer quads, it was definitely an appropriate rating in my order and corresponding review. That shatter though, is not shatter. I would personally not be upset by it because I use concentrates with a tiny metal cup that slots into my vaporizer, so I prefer any concentrate I can scoop with my little dabber spoon and scrape off into the cup. But I would never end up trying the product because I actively don't purchase shatter, due to how tricky it seems to be to handle. I would buy a resin, but they need to get that description in there.

I feel like SpeedGreens is great for quads and budder.

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Keyll wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:15 pm
Vdubb wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:15 am Before I read this I just smoked their AA OG kush that was part of the free 3.5g for sign-up. And I had a better high than I did with the AAAA blue dream! I was blown away from the potency that this AA nug had. It looked and smelled like AA, but was very tacky in the middle. Didn’t taste like much... but I was really, really, really high for over an hour. So I thought their rating system was pretty darn good based off the AA and AAAA product I received. Keep us updated Mirka.
I would personally not be upset by it because I use concentrates with a tiny metal cup that slots into my vaporizer, so I prefer any concentrate I can scoop with my little dabber spoon and scrape off into the cup.
You cant scoop this, you'd never be able to get it into.the cup, it would stick to everything. This shit would piss off a monk trying to use.

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MirkaLane wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:30 pmYou cant scoop this, you'd never be able to get it into.the cup, it would stick to everything. This shit would piss off a monk trying to use.
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Amazing. I am pretty zen though. Maybe they'll send me some and I can make up my own mind. I'm certainly not going to pay for it after that scathing review! LOL! (Don't worry, Speedgreens, I still love you and your budder and will be back.)

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Hello, we've read the review and we can fully understand and appreciate your views. We've contacted our producer to get some more feedback so we are sorry for the late response to this.

This product is in fact shatter as the producer uses the same equipment as our higher grade shatter is made but on a much smaller scale. It has a strong flavour due to the amount of terps left and that is also what causes a lot of the stickiness. They also mentioned that they purge for over 100 hours when producing this shatter. The effects have always been positive and we do think it's a great value at the price it's listed at. We've had customers purchase a small amount and come back for larger amounts at a later date who commented on the tackiness but agreed that the flavour and effects can't be beat for the listed price.

The last thing we would want is to lose customer confidence and we fully agree that the description should reference this (the descriptions are general information on the strain only) and we take full responsibility for not including this beforehand. It is now a note on the description.

As our emailed response stated we stand by our customer satisfaction policy and all reasonable disputes will be settled as best we can. We've now come to an amicable resolution to this matter and we hope that you're satisfied with our response to this matter.

*edited since our last email

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RESOLVED:

SpeedGreens offered two resolutions:
1. Full refund.
2. Keep the original sap, plus 7G of their AAAA Shatter, at a 20% discount, minus my original $117 investment. This leaves me having to pay around $35 for a replacement quarter of higher-grade shatter.

I chose option 2 and consider it a very reasonable solution to this situation.

Thank you again to those who offered up their support. This community only works if we look out for one another.

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Keyll wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:17 pm Amazing. I am pretty zen though. Maybe they'll send me some and I can make up my own mind. I'm certainly not going to pay for it after that scathing review! LOL! (Don't worry, Speedgreens, I still love you and your budder and will be back.)
Right back at you! =)

I would like to send you some on your next order so you can try it out and comment on the flavour and effects as we all know now about the stickiness of it =)

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MirkaLane wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:42 pm RESOLVED:

SpeedGreens offered two resolutions:
1. Full refund.
2. Keep the original sap, plus 7G of their AAAA Shatter, at a 20% discount, minus my original $117 investment. This leaves me having to pay around $35 for a replacement quarter of higher-grade shatter.

I chose option 2 and consider it a very reasonable solution to this situation.

Thank you again to those who offered up their support. This community only works if we look out for one another.
We're happy that we resolved this matter to your satisfaction. We hope you understand that it was never our intent to deceive anybody but we do take full responsibility on not stating the stickiness of the product in the description and have updated it with full disclosure.
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